S: Yes. Do you listen to a collection of recordings at home? T: Yes. Well, I think we do very good performances, and [that] works all right. It does not always work easily to use the symphony; it is much more difficult than hiring an outside group. S: Well, naturally, as a freelancer, I am interested in providing a smaller ensemble once in a while. T: Oh, yes. It is a lot easier and more flexible to get an outside group than it is to use the symphony musicians. S: I enjoyed helping Dr. Sinclair put together the Vivaldi oratorio, Judith Triumphant, a few years back. T: Oh yes, that went very well. S: I felt that we did it at a very good use of the available funds because we had private [donations]. T: Would you like to play your cello for two minutes? I thought if you brought it in here, we ought to listen to it. S: Well, absolutely, I will do that. Do you want some Bach? T: Yes, sure. S: Okay. I think I will go ahead and end the tape, but I will thank you very much. 16-