T: Well, that borrows money, then you have to pay it back. S: Right. Do you do such things with smaller arts organizations? T: Well, I would hesitate to put out a bond issue, because I would not want that debt hanging over me. I do not know who would want to loan the money on a bond issue on something as fragile as an arts organization. I think it would be an awful risk for your money. S: The Orlando Sentinel today has an article about the upcoming FSO season. They are diminishing their master works from twelve to ten concerts and increasing their pops from ten to twelve. T: Well, I think they are going to keep the same price for the ten as they had this year on the twelve, which means you are paying a little more for a concert. I am on the board of the symphony; however, we were not a part of this decision. So the first I heard about it was when I read about it in the paper. The decision was made by management in this case. S: Do you think that is a healthy direction to take? T: Well, the symphony needs all of the money it can get. Yes, I think it is good because they are broadening their base by, according to the morning paper, putting on more popular music. [It] may not be what the orchestra is in business for, but if it is a way of raising money there is certainly nothing wrong with doing it. (By popular, I do not mean extreme, rock and roll, but I mean easier music to listen to.) And if they put on more popular concerts where you have a broader audience, it not only brings in money but it gets people coming to the orchestra, and after they come to a year or two of listening to that music they might then want to start listening to the regular master works concerts. So I think it is a very constructive move to do what they are doing; I was very glad to read about it. S: I was glad to read that they are changing to an earlier time to accommodate families. T: Yes. S: So I think some decisions like that could help. Parking has always been an issue and the auditorium has been an issue. T: Well, I do not think the auditorium is quite as bad as some people say it is. It is not the greatest, but on the other hand, I do not think it is bad. I have not sat in the different parts of the auditorium so I could judge how it is. I hear some parts are not as good as others, which may be so, but I do not think it is so terrible. I think that the people going there enjoy the music very much and I do not think their 11 -