and more of your audience. The higher the level, the bigger quality, the bigger the
 deficits you run.

S: Do you need help in creative fund raising?

T: Yes. Well, I do not think it is so awful for the government to help. As I said, if you
 look at Europe, you will find the government does about everything. So when it is
 just doing a small part over here, it is not, I do not think, out of proportion. I used
 to think it was nice if we did not have any government help, but if you find when you
 are trying to put the thing together you can not raise enough money to do a good
 job, the extra help from the government is justified.

S: Do you think state level government ought to be more influential, or national?

T: I had not thought about it. I would not know as one ought to be more important
 than the other. I think any level--city, county, state, or national--can do it. I think,
 however, that what we said before regarding influence [is true]. You do not want
 them to come in and control what you are doing. But I do not think that any of
 those organizations, any of those governments, whether it is city or what, are going
 to do too much. I think the county, the city, the state and the federal government
 can all help the symphony, so every possible level has helped the symphony. I do not
 think any of them have used any influence in trying to control what they are doing.
 I have not seen any real sign of danger there.

S: If you were the manager of the Florida Symphony in the recent crises, what would
 you have done differently to control the orchestra's dreams and ambitions?

T: I do not think I would have done as well as the ones they had.

S: Really.

T: No, [it] probably [would] have gone bust if I had been running it, because I do not
 think I could have done as well as they did.

S: You think that they handled it well?

T: Harvey Massey did a remarkable job. He was the president. He did a remarkable
 job in holding the thing together, and an even more remarkable job was done by the
 people who raised a million dollars, as you know. I think that was an unbelievably
 successful drive, which I never thought they could do. It was served pretty well. I
 do not know who all was in charge of raising that money. I think probably a lot of
 the people were in on it. I was not in on it, but I think a lot of people helped raise
 that money.


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