and Carroll under Hepner. The organization was never a drawing. You usually didn't go through a chain of command and that sometimes did cause problems with the organization. I was the same way. But on papers to me there might be organizational charts but we tear them up the next week. It was my job to put the pieces together. Maybe Jack and Hepner under him and Hal under that. And then Lynchburg and Rollich under Hepner but on the side. Maybe on the side of Jack again, Hepner was one side and then Ed Pacelli. Kenny would be under Rosen because it was the property here. You had inside people. Hepner was on the inside whereas Pacelli was in the field. D--Under Jack also would be advertising? S--Would be advertising also, yes. D--That would be Paul Venzi. S--Paul Venzi, Kenny Schwartz would be with Leonard basically. And Paul was here eventually. At that point, of course Jack was here eventually, too. Jack was in the creative aspects of the advertising. The budget, of course, was set by the two of them and then Jack was responsible for spending it. D--Development was run by Tom Weber? S--Tom Weber. D--And administration was? S--Well, it was me basically. CorDorate administration would be Layden here and Carroll would be in sales administration. You really couldn't pinpoint. Harry Schloss was like in charge of all the accounting. He was vice-president of all the accounting functions. He went back to work for Leonard also. Also we had, somebody was in accounting. D--What about Shapiro?