Tom Weber went back to work for Leonard. Also, Tom in Gatlinburg,

 Tennessee. Cy Reis was back working for Leonard. This was a couple of

 years ago. Bernice was back working for Leonard. He was in touch with

 a lot of people. Up until recently.

D--You are saying there is a lot of personal loyalty there.

S--A lot of personal loyalty.

D--That went both ways?

S--Absolutely. They gave Leonard a party here five years afterward. And all

of his people were there. They honored Leonard. I don't know who started

 it. Maybe Kenny or Pacelli. And all these people showed up. All the

 old faces showed up. Of course Jack has been gone for a lot of years.

 Jack died in '69.

D--What did he die from?

S--Heart attack. My wife died in '70. They gave a lot of land at Cape Coral

 for churches and synagogues. One of my neighbors here built the first

 piece of commercial property in Cape Coral.

D--And what was that?

S--He had a children factory there. Sam Nahama built the first piece of

 industry in Cape Coral.

D--You run into people all over the place.

S--People are everywhere. A lot of people, very successful people. Various

 aspects of the business. They came in and each started to have a following.

D--When important decisions were going to be made, policy decisions or new

 directions like starting a new development, who would be the people that

 would be called in to talk about something like that? Would Leonard and

 Jack just make those decisions themselves?

S--No. They believed in buying advice. They would even steal advice if they

 had to. They would go after the best advice they could. I guess the

 shakers and movers were #1 the marketing people. So, of course, they

 would use Hepener, Pacelli or Schwartz. They would certainly then look