Stock Exchange. That was bought so the company could merge with Fenestra and appear on the New York Stock Exchange. Plus Fenestra had a lot of cash. That was the basic reason. The purpose was to get the company on the New York Stock Excahnge. That was the purpose. D--Well, that makes sense. S--But the purpose, well they had cash, number two, to put it on the NYSE. The business was a cash eating up business. There was always a big cash deficit. When you made a sale you went in the hole, cash-wise. That was one of the big problems. Constantly at Gulf. Leonard, he was great at his ability to raise cash that's what it needed. D--What were some of the sources of cash? The banks? S--Few banks. Primarily they were big finance companies and individuals who had a lot of money who would get a little higher rate of return on their money. And of course they took receivables as collateral. They were wealthy people or big companies who had a lot of money and could get a high rate of return. D--Who would organize most of that? S--Leonard would do that. D--Was it just Leonard personally or who else in the corporation? S--Gee, I really don't remember. But Leonard was the big motivator, mover. He would find people. I guess as you developed one you would find another. Because there were people in that business, financing receivables. D--Did they ever try and get funds through bond issues? S--No, they didn't until they went public. When they went public, of course they raised money. The big problem in that business was money. D--Was there ever a concern that they were spending so much money on adver- tising and promotion that they were almost eating up their profit? S--I don't think.that was the question. I think they were eating up their cash. They were working very closely with cash. The profit was there. They would allocate a certain amount for engineering, promotion, & marketing.