could do the same thing. So at first you have to have land. D-Now, this was before Leonard had been to Florida? S-He had already been to Flordia, but it was basically as visitors. The concept was that if you could sell you could then deliver the product. So, we were :negotiatingthe sale of Charles Antel. And the reason they were negotiating' Charles Antel is that they could not buck the major cosmetic businesses, primarily Revlon. They could not, they did not have the finance to compete with major companies. Going public was such a new thing, unless you had the money you could not do it. ANd basically he had thought it was successful and could not really generate funds to ex- pand the business. So they were negotiating the sale of the company. And then what were they going to do? But you first have to have land. Leo nard got me one week-end. We wanted to try it. Leonard would set up a brokerage and we would go down there and buy something in Florida. A flew to this place called Deland, Florida. It was a little, this had to be in 1959. r.aybe '58. I flew down to Deland, Florida. And he showed me the land about 1/2 miles from lake 8 & I bought the acres in Deland. With that we could then test if we could sell a product. And I think they did. Leonard did a half hour sales pitch on land in Florida and the response was great. So we just wrote everybody and said that we were oversold, which we were. And he went to refine this and he did a really refined version of this. Now, that time Charles Antel was sold and Leonard cane into Florida with the idea of buying a big piece of land,to do this with. D--Do you have any idea how much money you got for Antel? S--I would say in the one million dollar range. D-You were talking about how they sold Antel. S--We had been to Florida previously to a place in Clearwater or Safety Harbour, Safety Harbour Spa. Leonard had a bad case of arthritis & he had been there before. It helped him. So he came down with his wife to Safety Harbour Spa.