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 same thing is happening in newspapers. What is going to be the future in
 newspapers? Well, the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] has just
 said that newspapers cannot be owned by a company that also owns a TV
 station in the same town. That is very recent. That already had happened here,
 and there was not anything they could do about it. Now, they put them together,
 and their newsrooms are cooperating and working together. Their circulation on
 newspapers are going down, down, and down. A news item, if it is more than a
 minute on television, it is something really special. You just get a blip, and you
 get what they want you to hear, not what the real facts are. I think that is going to
 warp the thinking of the people, who used to have an afternoon newspaper and
 a morning newspaper, and they were usually different from the standpoint of
 whether they were liberal or conservative, and you got both sides. They do not
 do that anymore. The media is so far to the left that you do not get the right side
 of it anymore. I think that is why we are going to see a little change in this
 election, in my opinion. The people have gone so far to the left, they want to get
 back to the middle now. I do not think we will ever get over to the right, and I do
 not think we should. The right where [Pat] Buchanan [former aide to President
 Richard Nixon and presidential candidate] wants to be, there is just no place for
 that. But I think right in the middle is where it ought to be. Now, that had nothing
 to do with the question you asked me.

B: Well, it is interesting stuff. Related to banking, I was interested if you had any
 experience of the kind of financing that it took to start building really large
 developments in the Tampa Bay area. I guess I am thinking here of shopping
 centers and industrial properties and office properties.

C: I would say in the beginning, the majority of those type of developments were
 financed from outside of the state of Florida. I think now that there is some effort
 on the part of the big banks to participate in those. But I would say if today you
 wanted to build a 1,500,000-square foot shopping center, you would get your
 financing from somewhere else, outside of the state of Florida.

B: From an insurance company?

C: Insurance companies and conglomerates that are making those loans.

B: Do you remember who the big lenders were, who first started in with shopping
 centers and that sort of property in the 1950s? Was there any particular
 insurance company that started up first, as far as being willing to lend in Tampa?

C: No. I know that Equitable did a good deal of lending in Tampa, but I do not know
 the exact names of the others who became active in Tampa in that period.

B: We talked a little bit about the dissension over the Sunshine Skyway project.
 Were there any other conflicts with the St. Petersburg community that you recall