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 controlled banking in the state of Florida forever. He did not choose to do that.
 He ran his own little banks, and they were [very conservative]. Now, Tampa is
 the only big city that did not have a Florida National Bank in it.

B: Why not?

C: I do not know. I guess the other banks kept him out. I do not know that to be a
 fact, but that has got to be a reason, because he was in Lakeland, he was in St.
 Petersburg. Why not the industrial commercial part of this area?

B: Do you think they [the existing Tampa bankers] could have kept him out if they
 wanted to?

C: I do not know. I would just be guessing if I said yes. I do not know. But it is fact,
 you got a little town like Bushnell that had a Florida National Bank in it. In the
 1950s and through the 1960s, a big bank in Florida was the old First National
 Bank of Miami, which became Southeast Bank. That is where people went for
 big money, unless they had to go for bigger money to New York or someplace
 like that.

B: Even people from Tampa?

C: Tampa I mean, the banks here would go there for cooperating on a loan.

B: How big a loan would it have to take before they would have to go out of town?

C: I do not know. I was not in Miami by that point and time, but that was known as
 the bank in Florida. When it went broke, that was a sad, sad day, and it did not
 have to go broke. They forced that into bankruptcy. It turned upside-down, and
 First Union bought it. In my opinion, it was not fairly put out to bid for other
 banks, holding companies, to acquire it, to make an effort to really acquire it, but
 that is neither here nor there. That was done. I would say that would be a good
 argument. I guess the only other place in the South that had banks that were of
 any consequence would have been Atlanta. Atlanta had three big downtown
 banks. They had the Trust Company of Georgia, the Citizens and Southern
 Bank, C & S, and the old First National Bank, all of which became the big banks.

B: Now, these were the big banks shortly after the end of the war in the 1950s.

C: Those were the three big banks in downtown Atlanta, in Georgia and in the
 South.

B: Would people from Tampa try to enter into cooperative agreement with those
 banks for financing?