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C: There was a great deal there because you would cut off access to-and-from.
 One of them, one of the ones that became very confrontational, was Ybor City,
 where 15th Street goes under the interstate. It was originally designed not to go
 under it. It would just stop there, and the only access would have been where the
 interchanges were, which did not make a lot of sense. But we finally got one at
 15th Street.

B: Who was it that was arguing in favor [of the grade-crossing]?

C: Well, obviously the little town of Ybor City, which was a part of the City of Tampa,
 was very, very upset about it, and the city became upset about it, and the road
 department. All of those were in agreement that there should be an underpass
 there.

B: So, that was one battle that you ?

C: And MacDill Avenue over here on the west side of town was another one that
 had to have [one], because that was the main access road north and south.

B: And originally that had not been planned?

C: I do not remember whether that was or not. It probably was planned. But MacDill
 was the east boundary of MacFarlane Park. That probably was planned because
 it was a very important north-south road, whereas 15th Street in Ybor City was
 not that important from the standpoint of moving a lot of traffic north and south,
 but it was important from the standpoint of Ybor City and access to Ybor City.

B: It is a little odd that there is an exit westbound at Lois Avenue, and then east and
 west you can get off at Lois. You cannot get back on trying to go westbound, but
 then...

C: No, there is a full interchange at Lois. Now, Westshore Boulevard has a full
 interchange. That interchange has been changed now, whereas you cannot get
 on [the interstate] going west on Westshore and you cannot get off coming east
 of Westshore, but you can still get off going west from downtown and you can
 get back on going east on Westshore. That had a full interchange, but later on
 through the widening of that portion of the interstate system maybe five years
 ago, that then was closed, the westbound traffic was closed.

B: I guess I thought Lois was the one where you could get off if you were headed
 west toward the airport, but you had to go over to Dale Mabry to get back on the
 interstate going west.

C: No. Lois has always been a full interchange, and it is so close to Dale Mabry that
 it is questionable, why would you have that? But Lois moved a lot of traffic north