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B: Was that pretty soon after you came on the board?

C: Oh, before, even. The question had been bandied back and forth at the time I
 came on. The State Road Department at that time had complained about it and
 nothing had been done, and we continued the complaints.

B: So the State Road Board staff, did they have the same opinion you did, that it
 was inadequate?

C: My opinion came from their information furnished to me. I could look at a road
 and not tell you, at that time, when I thought the road was going to reach its
 capacity, but those people, having been in the business for years and that was
 their job, knew by the study of the traffic patterns and so forth and the traffic
 count that they had, which I was not privy to before I went on the Road Board. It
 was obvious that it would clog up.

B: Do you remember anybody else who went with you to Washington with that
 delegation?

C: [Ellsworth] Simmons. If it was at a time that Nick [Nuccio] was mayor, he would
 have gone. Our fellows from the department of transportation in this district and
 in Tallahassee went.

B: That was when Julian Lane was mayor. Would he have gone?

C: Julian Lane, I cannot remember now exactly what the dates of his term of office
 were.

B: He was mayor from 1959 until 1963.

C: Okay, when I became member of the board, he was the mayor at the time. Julian
 and his department, I am not sure. I do not remember Julian going, but I do
 remember his traffic people and his engineers going with us. They were a part of
 the whole delegation.

B: Do you remember the city engineer for Tampa, a man named Roy K. Van
 Camp?

C: Former highway engineer for the road department.

B: Was he? I did not know that.

C: Oh yes. A fine, fine gentleman. He retired later on, but he was a real
 professional. Oh yes, I knew him very well.