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 one way or the other to the location of the interstate. There were just a very few
 exceptions to that. One of them was a contingent from Seminole Heights Baptist
 Church that was unhappy about Interstate 75 being so close to the church with
 an exit there. Another was a Tampa attorney named MacFarlane who objected
 to the right-of-way cutting through MacFarlane Park in West Tampa. But outside
 of that, I did not find much evidence of opponents. Am I correct about that, or do
 you think there were opponents?

C: From my knowledge, the alignment of the road did not create a lot of problems.
 The alignment of the road was something that the county commission and the
 city of Tampa pretty much were in agreement about. The big problem that we
 faced was, where do we put the interchanges? Downtown, where would it be?
 Where would it be in Ybor City? That was a big something that was contested. It
 only took a slight south portion of MacFarlane Park, but that was a problem that
 Mr. MacFarlane's father had built the park and developed that part of West
 Tampa, and [he] felt like it should not be done. But to vary it, you would have had
 to change the alignment and go around, and it would have been expensive to
 obtain the right of way and construct the roads. It was built in the right place.

B: How did the MacFarlane controversy eventually get resolved?

C: That controversy was resolved before I came on the board, because the federal
 bureau of roads and the State Road Department had determined that this is
 where it should go, economy-wise and from a functional use of the interstate
 system. Although they may listen to the complaints, there were no changes and
 there were no interchanges at MacFarlane Park.

B: Do you think very many people in Tampa had input into where the road went, or
 was the plan pretty much handed down from the [U.S.] Department of
 Transportation and the State Road Department?

C: There was a great deal of input by the governing bodies of Hillsborough County.
 That would be the county commission, the City of Tampa and its city council.
 Those people all had a great deal of input. You always had a hearing in which
 people were invited and notices given, told them to come in and get information
 and look at the alignment and make whatever statements they want to make.
 There is a lot more of that going on now. It is actually required now, and if you do
 not do it, the road cannot be let because the federal bureau will not let you do it
 without those noticed hearings and getting the complaints and answering them,
 never to the satisfaction of the people who are complaining, but to the extent that
 the road department or the federal bureau of roads had anything to say about it.
 The federal bureau of roads had a great deal to say about the building of the
 interstate system. Obviously, that was understandable because it was a federal
 project. One of the things that they did not see was the future. When you look at
 the interchange of 1-4 and what is now [1-]275 in downtown Tampa, there was