HIL CO 73 page 20 not remember when he left office. B: He died in May of 1956. C: Obviously, he would have had a race sometime between the time I came here, because they were four-year terms, as I recall. They are now. I do not even remember who ran against him. I did not get involved in that race. As a matter of fact, I was living out in the country at the time. B: When he died, he had just been re-elected to his fourth term as mayor. Did that cause a lot of confusion or uncertainty in local politics, when he died? C: Was that the time that J. L. Young was chairman of the City Council and became acting mayor, interim mayor or whatever you call it? B: Yes. C: That opened up the mayor's office for a whole bunch of people to get involved in it, and I do not remember who all of them were. B: Nick ran, of course, J. L. Young ran, and there were, as you say, several others. C: Nick won that race, did he not? B: Yes, he did. That was his first term when he won that special election. C: Yes, he beat J. L., and then I guess the next time was four years later when Julian ran against him. Julian was the campaign manager in Hillsborough County for Dan McCarty. B: In 1952. C: Yes. He and Dan had gone to school together, I think. I did not get that active in the campaign itself. I was active in the senatorial campaign in 1950 on campus because I was still in law school part of that time. B: The U. S. Senate campaign? C: Yes, when George Smathers ran against [Claude] Pepper and beat him in 1950. I remember coming home one time and going to a rally, and Will Banks from Alabama-Dr. Will Banks was a veterinarian, and his brother was in the cattle business-were big Pepper supporters. Dot and I were not even married then. Dot had gone on radio for George, and I went to a rally in Plant City while I was still in school. I was surprised at these old crackers from Alabama being for "Red" Pepper. Of course, George pulled some real tricks on him in that race.