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 newspaper somewhere, but I do not know where it is.

B: I am going to look for it on microfilm.

C: If you go to the Tribune, in their archives, you will find it. It will be in whatever the
 election was in 1960 for the second Democratic primary.

B: There had to be two primaries?

C: Yes, because you had John McCarty, and you had Bud Dickinson [Fred O. "Bud"
 Dickinson, later State Comptroller], and oh, you had a half dozen people in that
 race. Of course it ended up with Farris Bryant and Doyle Carleton running off
 against each other.

B: So there was a first primary with a big fracas, but were any of the rest of those
 candidates-you mentioned John McCarty, and Bud Dickinson...

C: John McCarty probably went with Doyle Carlton. They were better friends than
 Farris was with either one of them. I did not even know Doyle Carlton at the time.
 I had met John McCarty. We had polls that showed that, really, the one to worry
 about was John McCarty, one of the reasons being the lower east coast. He was
 from down there, and we thought he was going to be a real factor. It turned out
 he was not. Dickinson jumped in and helped Farris in the second primary, and
 when he did, he came to see me and said, you know, I have to make a decision
 about what I am going to do; I would like to support Farris, but I have to know,
 you know, four years from now, I am going to run again. That was his first race.
 So, I said, if you really get in here and really support Farris, I will support you four
 years from now. Because Bud Dickinson was a good man. He just got carried
 away with himself talking. He could have won that election, but he lost it.
 Anyway, he came in and helped us. I do not even remember who the others
 were in the race, but they were not major players. One of them was Fred Karl,
 [later Judge, later Hillsborough County administrator] I think.

B: The governor was a four-year term then, or two years?

C: Four.

B: But Farris did not think he wanted more than one term?

C: I think you were restricted to one term. He had all he wanted, and most
 governors do. Today, you can go two terms, so most of them do. I guess [Bob]
 Martinez [governor from ] and [Haydon] Burns [governor from] are the only
 ones who got beat before the second term. But you have Graham [Bob Graham,
 Florida Governor 1979-1987, later U.S. Senator] and Askew [Reubin O'D.
 Askew, Florida Governor 1971-1979] and others, and Lawton [Lawton Chiles,