YBOR 70 Page 3 P: When you say we, are you referring to your wife? L: No, I did not meet her until many, many years later subsequent to those early days. The we refers to some friends of mine who also attended Manual Training in Brooklyn. P: So you graduated in 1934, did you go on to college directly thereafter? L: I went to Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia in September 1935. P: Were you on a scholarship? L: No, we somehow managed to pay the tuition which at that time was far below what it costs today. 800 dollars a year, which means that for the four years, in terms of tuition, and that included room and board, you are talking about some 3,200 dollars. P: This was in the 1930s, though, right? L: Yes, the mid-1930s. 1935. P: There was a depression going on. L: The depression was winding down, nearing its end. Still a time of depression but it was sort of winding down at that time. P: What did you study while you were in college? L: I had a pre-med course, advanced biology and zoology, physiology. P: Were you a science major? L: At that time I was thinking in terms of medicine. P: I see. How did you end up becoming a minister? L: That is a very peculiar story. One that is very difficult to explain. It had nothing to do with low or failing grades, the grades were good, I graduated with honors. I could have graduated with higher honors than I did, but the time extra was spent playing football, running track and part of the thespian group in Shakespeare plays and such. Some of the other things that I did, Sociology, Criminology, naturally, English and then somehow or other, what we usually say in things of this nature, the Lord redirected my thinking. I found myself going into the ministry and it is very difficult to explain what we refer to as a call. P: Did you have a religious experience?