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 I thought there couldn't be any greater. I don't know how the TEPs did
 because they had a different group. I think today, Jacksonville is a
 Tau Epsilon Phi town, but Dr. J. V. Safer, who I mentioned before, was a
 TEP. And so it wasn't in the family line or anything, it was just differ-
 ences of opinion; differences of friends you meet and cultivate.

S: Sam, I want to thank you so very much for spending this time with me, and,
 if I have your permission, I would like to use this material in gathering a
 history of the Jewish community of Jacksonville.

W: You have it.