R: Absolutely, I have done that for years. You see, the one who handles that
 graduate tax program, if it is still done that sme way, really has to
 handle the tax program for the entire law school because there are just so
 many tax instructors and you have to teach all the tax courses, not just
 the graduate courses. You have to get all of them taught. You have to
 coordinate things so that there are people available to do this and that.
 It is really like running a small law school.

 That is what, I am sure, David Richardson has found out. [David M.
 Richardson, Professor, University of Florida College of Law, (1986-
 present)] We have compared notes a little bit since he has been here. He
 agreed that he never realized quite what was involved, but it is a
 difficult job and you have to keep your balance in it. This was why I
 mentioned a while ago that I literally often urged students not to take
 our undergraduate tax course--to take Jurisprudence or something like that
 instead, you know. The trouble is that these guys get so eager. They
 know they want to be tax lawyers, a lot of them these days, and they know
 that that is a good program. They know that there are good people
 teaching in that area. They say, "Well, we want to take these courses."
 So we put some limits on what they could take. I do not remember the
 details anymore, but we not only tried to talk them out of taking courses,
 we just would not permit them to take more than a few tax courses as
 undergraduates. I think that is sound. I think that has to continue. We
 would put out a terribly warped trade school kind of character, you see,
 if we did it any other way.

 D: I think there were a couple of questions that arose as we talked. You
 mentioned your son. Do you have other children?

 R: Yes, I have a daughter. I talked to her just before you came. She is in
 Washington, and her husband is a highly successful private practice lawyer
 in Washington. They live in Alexandria in a somewhat older house that
 they just completely remodeled. I guess I will never see it as remodeled
 because I do not travel that far. Mrs. Stephens is hoping she can get up
 there pretty soon to see it.

 D: Was your daughter interested in law? Or what areas did she study?

 R: It just so happens that her husband and I share a certain Victorian
 feeling that your wife should not work outside the home. We know that
 they work. But she taught for a year or two after they were married. She
 taught for a year in Rochester in a grammar school before they were
 married and for a year in Ithaca, which is where her husband was going to
 Cornell Law School. She retains a keen interest in teaching and has some
 novel thoughts about teaching, especially younger children, and
 occasionally does some substitute teaching. I do not know exactly. She
 is an awfully busy person. She has three children, five to fourteen.

 D: Is that what her education was in?

 R: Beg your pardon?

 D: Is her education in the education area?


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