D: Did you work your way through school or were you on a scholarship?

R: No scholarships there, but an education was not awfully expensive in those
 days. Well, the living accommodations on a comparable basis were. But, I
 lived in what they called the Lawyer's Club, which was comfortable living
 the whole time I was there. I shared a three-room suite right on the law
 quadrangle with another person. We each had a bedroom, and a common study
 room with comfortable chairs and two desks and so forth. But it was not
 expensive by present standards. It was expenisve, I guess I would have to
 say, for my parents sometimes. Times were pretty tough. I did work. I
 worked in college in addition to my scholarship. I worked some in the
 college cafeteria squeezing orange juice early in the morning and that
 sort of thing. Then I worked at Michigan. I had an opportunity in my
 second year, I do not recall that I worked my first year. But in my second
 year, I became the assistant of the person who had a small store in the
 Lawyer's Club. This was a supply store--paper, ink and cigarettes, and
 chewing gum. Just a few things like that. But it was a lucrative little
 store and he paid me a pittance. My real pay came in my getting the store
 the next year. So my third year I was pretty self-sufficient.

 D: So you finished up your schooling before you ever went into the military.

 R: Yes.

 D: You graduated in 1942.

 R: Yes. There is a quirk there that may not be of any interest. I went
 one summer to the University of Colorado to summer school. As a result of
 that, I was able to complete my law study in one summer at the University
 of Michigan. I was able to complete all my law courses at mid-year in
 1942-1943. But by that time I had signed up for the navy, and one of
 their prerequisites was to take some math courses that I had not had. I
 did not accept my law degree when I finished my law courses because I
 wanted to remain a "LW" student, a law student. I stayed in the Law Club
 as a law student, but studying only math courses for that last semester.
 Incidentally, I knew Mr. Macdonald slightly at Michigan. [William Dickson
 Macdonald, Professor, University of Florida Colege of Law, (1948-1984)]
 He had graduated from Osgood Hall in Canada and then he came to Michigan
 as a graduate student, and we overlapped one year. But we were not
 closely acquainted.

D: That is interesting. Did you continue to play basketball through college?

R: Yes, and I earned my letter at the University of Rochester in basketball.
 I played golf. I played, however, only one intercollegiate match. I was
 never a star athlete by any means. I was always on the fringes. I was
 about the seventh or eighth man on the golf team and five people played.
 On the basketball team, that would be about the same way, I used to get
 into the games and play some.

D: After graduation you went into the navy and then went to Washington?

R: Yes, when I was discharged from the navy I was in Washington at the
 Bethesda Medical Center. While I was still at the center after my


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