First, I think nobody should feel that he can learn to write or teach in
 any way other than by doing it. Doing it the best he can and doing as
 much of it as he can. I have done a very great deal of writing and
 teaching, and every time I have done something in either field I have
 learned something new. The real teacher of writing or teaching is the
 doing of the thing. My final thought is that one who would write or teach
 better have an understanding spouse. Barbara figures very much in this
 because she has been very supportive. There are many discouraging days
 when you are writing and when you are teaching especially in the
 beginning. I suppose there are in any kind of professional activity. You
 need someone to keep helping you along a bit, and she had done that very
 well. Now, I do not know whether this is the kind of noise that you want
 to hear from me or not.

D: This is very useful. Is Professor Miller still teaching?

R: I think he is. I am not sure. Did you ever hear of Hal Crosby? [Harold
 Bryan Crosby, Professor, University of Florida College of Law, (1959-
 1964)] Was he here when you were here? He was vice-president for awhile
 at this school?

D: No, I think that was right before I was here.

R: They were very good friends. Hal Crosby was a student at the time that
 Miller was working on developing the Law Review. I think he was the first
 editor of the University of Florida Law Review. I think that is how
 George happened to go to teach out there in Pensacola. I believe Crosby
 was president out there. I do not know whether he is teaching now or not.

D: You were raised in the Chicago area?

R: Yes, Oak Park is just west of Chicago.

D: Then, you attended the University of Rochester.

R: Yes, I studied four years at the University of Rochester.

D: How did you come to study in New York?

R: Well, I was awarded a prize scholarship. They had a very active alumni
 organization in the Chicago area, and I do not recall how I heard about
 this, but I attended one of their promotional receptions. I talked to the
 people, and they became somewhat interested in me, and we exchanged
 information, and they awarded me a scholarship for four years. After that
 was safely in the bank, I told them that they had awarded the scholarship
 to the wrong student because I had a sister who was brighter than I was.
 This was a coordinate educational institution--Rochester--in those days;
 they had two campuses, one for men and one for women. So she went through
 the same ritual and wound up also with a prize scholarship. They were
 awarded on what they called the RHODES scholarship plan, and on the basis
 of character leadership, scholarship, and athletic ability. Those are the
 things they said they considered in awarding those scholarships.

D: What is the name of it?



 4