S: Presently, I am in the capacity of Accountant two in Shands
 Teaching Hospital and Clinics. I came here to Shands on October
 the tenth, 1958. The hospital opened October twentieth, 1958.
 But I came from campus, where I was originally hired on March
 one, 1956. I was hired as the bookkeeping operator one. I was
 hired by Nancy Haygood, who is still on campus.

 Mr. Price was then controller for the university. He had a
 profound effect upon my life because I admired him so very, very
 much. He retired shortly after I came to work. At the last time
 that I heard, he is still with us on this earth. I value his
 friendship very highly.

 So, when I came over to set up the bookkeeping system at the
 Shands Teaching Hospital, the floors were not down in the
 business office. Therefore, we were housed in the Med-Science
 Building in the offices that are presently now occupied by the
 vice-president or president. I imagine it is the president on
 the left-hand side.

I: This is the vice-president.

S: It is? Of health and science? We had two bookkeeping machines;
 they were Burrows, and they used what was known as eight-channel
 tape. The eight-channel tape is like old-time teletype tape, and
 you take it off at the end of the day, and they put it on an IBM
 converter, which converted it to cards. Well, that was lots of
 fun, because when you had trouble, you called Burrows first.
 They checked out your machine, then you called the IBM man. He
 checked out his machine. The burrows man said it must be in the
 IBM part, and the IBM people said, "Nope, it is not ours, it must
 be in the Burrows part." So, we had fun.

 When I came over--it was all brand new, it was search and find,
 it was hide and go seek, and I had a lot of problems. The first
 thing that I noticed was that the Burrows machines did not have
 reverse debits and reverse credits. The salesman looked at me as
 though he thought I had lost my mind, and he said, "Why would you
 need a reverse debit? I have never heard of a reverse debit and
 a reverse credit." So I explained to him in the university
 system, you have to keep everything within the confines of debits
 and credits. The university goes to Tallahassee, and you have to
 have it all in both columns, debits and reverse debits, credits
 and reverse. Since we were part of campus, we would have to do
 the same thing. But he said, "A reverse debit is a credit, why
 not put it over in the field, and a reverse credit is a debit,
 why do not you put it that field?" But I said "That is not the
 way the bookkeeping at the University of Florida goes," because
 of the tie-in with Tallahassee. Therefore, the first
 modifications to the machines had to be the reverse debits and
 the reverse credits. A reverse debit would be a drug that was
 not used. And then the reverse credit would be back checks,
 and/or errors both ways. So we got over that hurdle within about
 a week, and then we started saving up the actual books.