16 T: Well, it isn't only that more women, I wouldn't say they were were staying in teaching, but in any line of work. When you look at the labor market . M: More women are in it now than ever before. T: And my statement that more families needed two people working. M: That's true. Gainesville utilizes the middle school-concept. Were you at the university when that came about? Transferring a junior high then to the concept of middle school? T: Yes. M: Did you have anything to do with starting that? T: I had nothing to do with it. M: What do you feel about the middle school? T: I'm going to pass on that one too. M: Better watch what I say, I might say something that I shouldn't say. T: I don't know enough about it. I respect Dr. Paul George who is in middle school in the College of Education. I respect him in his ideas, but I really don't know enough. . M: That much about it. T: Uh huh. M: So what year did you retire from-the university? T: June 8, 1978. M: That was just three months ago. You haven't even been retired that long. You still hear from a lot of your students though. T: Oh, yes. M: From the ones you've had way back in the beginning. T: I've had a stack of letters even this summer. One from a girl in Japan M: Well, then you've been busy. You haven't really retired.