12 T: The head of your department. M: Head of your department? Who was it then? T: Dr. Katei:[Vixion] Wofford. M: I've heard her name before. So the teachers that went out usually had two year degrees until 19 ... T: Oh, some of them had their degrees, but I mean there were a lot . M: When did it move to four-year? T: The university was always four-year. M: But after you had your AA or something like that you couldn't go out and teach with it. I think they just changed that last year where you couldn't do that anymore. T: I don't know when they .. M: Or you could substitute with an AA but you couldn't teach. You could still use your AA then to substitute. T: Yes. But you couldn't have gotten a job last year. M: No, you had to have more than your two. Well, we've got so many four-year teachers that need jobs anyway. You met your husband in Gainesville then? T: Uh huh. M: How did you meet him? T: At church. Which I think is a joke. M: Why do you think that's a joke? T: Well, that was probably where you met men back then, at church dances or church socials,,,wasn't it? M: How long did you know him before you got married? T: Seven years. M: You dated seven years before-you got married? T: Yes. M: That's a long time.