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time, because he said that Williamshad been there on the campus
and people liked him. He may have mentioned there'd been
some objection to him. I didn't discuss it with him at all,
but he mentioned Williams.
P: I think it was Charlie Johns getting upset with the Board of
Control for not consulting with him as governor and a member
of the state Board of Education, or not consulting enough with
him; whether they ignored him completely, I don't know. Would
you say, as you have looked at the university over the years,
as an alumnus and a former faculty person, that Reitz was
perhaps the best president for the times in which he served
of the presidents we've had in the university system?
L: Unquestionably I think that's true, but then I probably am biased.
I knew him better than anybody esle. But he didn't cover up many
things.
P: But you knew Miller.
L: I knew Miller. Miller was apparently a very good president. Well,
he got the medical school off the ground quite well, I guess.
I liked Wayne for one reason--because of his administrative
appointments. I can't think of all the appointments right now
that he made that I liked, not friends of mine, but I think they
were outstanding people, good people. He appointed the dean
of the law school, and there were some other appointments that
he made I thought were very good.
P: Of course, Dr. Miller made some very weak appointments.
L: I know.
P: But I guess the most outstanding was appointing Ralph Page as dean
of the College of Arts and Sciences.
L: Did you know that I knew Ralph Page personally?
P: No, I didn't know that.
L: Back in New York State.
P: I didn't know that, but fortunately, he had Stan Wimberly there
to bolster him up and give him some strength. So between Stan
and Manning Dauer, Arts and Sciences survived.
L: Yes, I often wondered how he got along. But I knew him in
Syracuse. He was a fellow there at the same time and I knew