136 it and reported that there was intellectual dishonesty, I believe it was called. There was no actual monetary dishonesty involved, so maybe it was intellectual dishonesty. P: Of course, Tigert was a strong supporter of the football program at the university. L: Yes, and I figure that somebody helped to cover up for him and to save him in connection with the football team. Now, that was my opinion. I had no proof that Tigert knew anything about it, but I don't think they would have put the football team on WPA without Tigert's knowledge--whether he suggested it or not, I don't know. Well, Joe told me he was taking the wrap for that at the time of the investigation. And this will be of some interest to you, it was said around the campus that Tigert was cursing that, and some adjectives there, Jew, didn't mention the name, for some of the problems. P: Well, that wouldn't have been difficult to have pinpointed because the number of Jews on the faculty at that time, I suspect, was one. L: I don't know of but one. I learned later, when I began to investigate Tigert's records, and this is something that not many people at the university know--I think Bill Carleton probably knows it. Manning was away in the South Pacific. I didn't do much about it, did no investigation, but I was thinking up all this information, when we had the investigation of the infirmary. Now, I'd been critical of the infirmary when I was a student editor. My first week in college I had an experience with the infirmary that sort of poisoned my mind, ifyou:want to call it that, against the infirmary at the university. That's something that I could speculate about and discuss for a long time, but it has nothing to do with this. I went to see President Jimmy Farr about two cases of neglect in the infirmary when he was acting president. So, when the Blue Key investigated the infirmary in '43 or '44 or thereabouts, I was familiar with the fact that they'd investigated the infirmary. I don't know what they recommended personally, but I knew they'd investigated the infirmary. Many had sone such requests for Dr. Tigert. He requested the Blue Key to investigate the athletic situation the first year he was there on the campus. I wasn't there, I heard it from Blue Key people. They'd investigated the struggle between Bachman and Jimmy in Jacksonville. Jimmy was athletic director, Bachman was the coach. He and Jimmy, there were three of those boys. .