126 the campus that everybody spoke to everybody else. If you go back to those days, you'll find out that was supposed to be a tradition. P: Of course, I know that. L: You spoke to everybody on campus and there he wouldn't speak to me. It kind of worried me, it just made me wonder why he wouldn't speak to me. Later I heard of a man who became a very prominent attorney in Orlando who was very active in the movement to get rid of Dr. Tigert. His name was Bob Bishop. I asked, "Why is Bob Bishop so much interested in having Dr. Tigert removed as president?" They said Bob was a very serious student on the campus and was an older man when he came. Dr. Tigert gave a talk someplace and made a reference to something and gave a quotation. Bob met Dr. Tigert on the campus and told him that he enjoyed his talk. He said, "Dr. Tigert, would you give me the quotation of that poem you recited?" And Tigert just faced up, walked away, didn't even answer him. That is a report that I heard. Now, I realize what the situation was, and in view of my own experience and Bob's experience, I know that it was sort of a personality problem, shall we say, about Tigert, that when he found a seridus problem er something that was a little embarrassing, he just raised his head and went forward. I think that was right, and I think that was a personality problem. P: You think he just refused to confront the situation. L: He refused to confront the situation. I expected, he looked at me and remembered that talk and then wondered if I read Time magazine. This was within a week or two. But the Time article specifically referred to the fact Stearns had been selected three years before. P: And he was embarrassed that you knew that, in view of his little conversation with you at the Primrose. L: Yes. P: Did you ever have any other confrontations or personal relationships with Tigert? L: Not confrontations. In a way I did. I lived on old Palm Terrace on the campus and about 1940, '41, I mentioned in the spring of the year to Roy Wilmont, a neighbor out there, that Gainesville was a beautiful city with all the azaleas blooming. I said to