104 medical school which is always a problem with them and we don't have a medical school, but it's about the same size as our university." He said, "Is it any better than this one?" I said, "Well, I wouldn't think so." He said, "Well, I think I'll just write those people out there I'm not interested in their job." Well, I was stunned. I didn't say anything. I wrote to my friend, Ben Cherrington out there, and asked about it. He replied that Bob Stearns is to be president and the announcement will be forthcoming in a few months that he's to replace Norlin. The next month or two, Time magazine came out with a story about how they selected university presidents in Colorado. They said Bob Sterns has been groomed to become president for two years, and that was within two or three weeks after Tigert had told me he was goint go write them and tell them he didn't want the job. I knew the job had been filled. I don't know that Tigert knew the job had been filled. It was a well-known fact throughout the country that Norlin was retiring, and Dr. Tigert might have been in communication with him, but it puzzled me. And then a whole number of things came up, and the big thing that just completely destroyed my desire to be at the university was that infirmary investigation. I'd known about these other things--I knew about the cover-up on the football team, and I knew that the county director lost his job, and the state director lost his job because of the team being on the WPA payroll. P: This happened at the end of the 1930's; 1938. L: Yes, I knew all about that, and the cover-up on that. P: What do you mean by "the cover-up"? L: Well, the cover-up on the campus. The campus never learned anything about it. Joe Weil told me, and Joe was a friend of mine back in those days, and I always was on a friendly basis with Joe. But Joe told me that he had to take the rap for that. And I presume he did. The campus didn't know about it. But it was a nice cover-up because the congressional report stated that the dean of the university was responsible. And about the same time, they made Harley Chandler dean of the university. Never did identify the dean of the university. I tried to get the records in Washington, because when I get