96 L: He says, "I have just got to leave, just got to leave." I says, "Why, Jack?" He said, "Well, I just can't agree with him. We can't get together at all on courses." I-said, "Jack don't leave. Dr. Britsol is retiring next year and you're in line to become head of the department. Then you can run it the way you want to run it." Then later on, someone told me that Emily White had built that house with her own money because she wanted Jack so have some stability and stay wherever she liked it. She knew that Jack would like to stay in a place for a year or two and then would get disenchanted and want to go somewhere else. Jack did settle down and was very happy there, I think. P: Yes indeed. L: I'm very fond of Jack's widow. P: Emily is a very happy woman today. L: Yes, that's what I understand, and I am the godfather of Morgan. P: Oh, really? L: Yes. P: Emily is doing interviewing for us on the same Oral History Project. L: Is she? P: She's been interviewing some of the women associated with the university and ladies who became well-known in Gainesville so she's one of our volunteers and doing an excellent job. L: That's interesting. P: Tell me about the war years on campus. L: Well, you remember the situation when you were there. Pearl Harbor Day. P: Just for the record, I got a BA in June of '41, had an assistantship or a fellowship and worked under Dr. Leake and stayed until June of 1942, and then I had my Master's degree and left.