92 just not clear in my mind. Were you there when Rembert Patrick came? L: Yes. P: Pat came, I believe, in '39 or '40. He was a graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. L: Yes. I knew Rembert very well. P: Now you continued to teach in the social sciences department. L: No, I transferred to political science after about two years, but I continued to teach in the social sciences department. One of the things that was a change that I pointed out to Jake Wise was a change in the curriculum. I knew enough about university curriculi at the time to know that the institution, when I was there as a student, didn't have much of a curriculum that I could support. And I liked a lot about the General College. I later became disenchanted some with General College because it was general. elt that a student should be able to follow some of his interests as soon as he came to the university. I thought those comprehensive courses should be spread out over the four years, and furthermore, I didn't like the spearation of the faculty, you see. I came to feel that, while there was a lot to be said for the General College concept, I. didn't believe in requiring all of those comprehensive courses to be forced upon a student when he first came to the campus. There was too much discouragement of students about what they wanted to do. If a student came to campus and wanted to be a doctor, he was told in the classes, in the big lecture sections and other places, well, you think you want to be a doctor. And Dean Little especially was strong on that. You think you want to be a doctor. Wait until you get through with your college courses, you may not want to be a doctor. I didn't hear it in those words, but that was something of the attitude prevailing in the C-l faculty. P: And throughout the University College. . L: And throughout the University College. P: Well, University College as it came to be called later on. L: Yes, that's right.