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was the first and only Communist party membership card I've
ever seen. Now, I heard of another one on campus. There was a
boy named [Claude] Coffee, who was in the Kappa Sigma fraternity.
The boys in the chapter, I had a younger brother in the chapter
at that time, and he didn't know anything about this story that
Bill Carleton told me. Bill told me about a problem they
had with Coffee over there.
P: Coffee, I think I remember him.
L: He was a Jacksonville boy.
P: A Jacksonville boy, and I thought his name was also Bill, but I'm
not sure.
L: It may have been Bill Coffee, I'm not sure that I ever knew him.
P: I remember him now.
L: Yes. Well, he was home one weekend and his mother decided to send
his clothes to the cleaners, or something, and she was looking
through his pockets and found his Communist party membership
card. She raised sand with the university, so I hear, and
with the chapter.
P: You learned this from Bill Carleton?
L: Yes, Bill told me this about the Coffee boy. My younger brother,
who knew something about it but didn't tell me what the chapter
had done, made a remarkwhich supported to some extent what Bill
told me, about the chapter and being bothered by this Communist
among its members.
P: So Coffee and McGuire were the only two, well, alleged Communist
party members that you knew of on the campus. In the case of
McGuire, you saw his card. In the case of Coffee, you heard about
it from information that Bill Carleton later gave you.
L: Yes, and which was confirmed by my brother in the chapter. I
thought I knew of others on the campus. I don't know whether
they were card-carrying members or not. One time later on Bill
McGuire brought this man out to see me and he left. .
P: To see you where?