60 L: Missouri, I guess. P: He was a Missouri man. L: Yes, he was a Missouri man. P: I guess Matherly brought him in, because journalism was then part of the College of Business Administration. L: Yes, I remember he came about 1927. P: So, he followed Catts around in '28. L: Yes, and 0. K. wrote some anti-cracker stories. I don't know what church he belonged to. I think nominally he was Presbyterian, come to think of it. He was Presbyterian in Gainesville and I knew him quite well. He became involved in a study of slavery and traveled around the South interviewing ex-slaves. I think perhaps he published a book on the memories of former slaves. I came back to the South, to Waycross, Georgia one time, with him from Washington to Waycross. We had a hillbilly preacher from up in the Ozarks that he picked up and he would sleep in the car. We got stuck in Camden, South Carolina, just outside of Camden, and our car had to be worked on. I knew a boy from Camden, one of my best friends in college and one of my friends today named Steven Miles Montgomery, and I called his father and he came down to the station and invited us to spend the night with him. We went over and spent the night. And while we were there, the question of the Civil War came up. 0. K. was making this tour around the country and he brought up the subject and mentioned it, and 0. K. said something about, "Well, that feeling is all over now." Mr. Montgomery says, "It's not all over now. Some of us still don't like the way the South was treated after the end of the Civil War. We still remember it, Mr. Armstrong." We didn't have any further discussion on the Civil War. P: Armstrong wrote a biography of Dr. Murphree. L: Did he? P: After Murphree's death. I have a copy of that. L: I would certainly like to see that.