26 L: Yes. Well, White had been the athletic director before when Van Fleet was there I guess, but he had very little to do with football. I think Van Fleet, well, I think he's a very capable man, probably had something to do with football. James L. White, Jimmy White we called him, was the son of a very prominent Baptist minister who'd been president of the Baptists of Florida. And while I have such a kind memory of Dr. Murphree that I hate to say this, I suspect that Jimmy White was given the job just because he was the son of the Baptist minister. And I understand he went to a ministry after he left the universty, I'm not sure. P: Did this revolt force him out? Was it a successful revolt? L: Yes, but not immediately. So, when Jerry McGill didn't show up, and nobody else would agree, they elected me to present the petition to Dr. Murphree. P: Who had signed the petition--the people at the meeting? L: No, we had petitions all over the campus, and by this time I was a Kappa Sigma and we met at the Kappa Sigma house with petitions. Somebody had arranged for me, I guess Jerry McGill had done that. Well, I believe he was at Kappa Sigma meeting and said he could not, as the president of the student body, officially present the certificate, I would have to do it, or somebody else. So they elected me to hand the certificate to Dr. Murphree. Well, Dr. Murphree had had a meeting that morning with his advisors and they had a student there who was a spy for us in Dr. Murphree's office. I don't know if he's still living. He's a good friend of mine, a very prominent graduate of the university; an attorney in Jacksonville. I won't mention his name. But he reported to us that they had decided thatthey would receive the petition and agree to investigate, and then would announce during the summer that they found no basis for the charges. P: Angus, if you don't report his name how am I going to interview him? How am I going to find out who he is? L: I would rather not tell you his name until I see him and talk to him. P: All right, that's fair.