14 it down, because if a rain came, it'd blow it out. We used concrete shafts. It was cut out concrete, get around and go around it, and finally just blow them out, but if you started with grass, it won't do it. Well, it's just like a forest on a mountainside, it would just hold it. I got them on that. Then when I went to Taylor County, I tried to get them to get stumps out of the field, and get away, and start them using tractors. Well, I had an old cattleman who had about seven or eight horses, and we farmed, probably put in six, or seven hundred acres. He said it would blow the land away, and would kill the earth. He said the stump kept the land from blowing. Well, a lot of people would think that stumps wouldn't be that thick. Well, the stumps were fairly thick, but said a stump was setting here, but you'd have to get back here say five feet, ten feet starting, you know, to go around it, and coming back. Well, had come up there, and you had that all over your field. Hercules Power Company came in, and a local man got the contract to get stumps, and ship them. He started off, and some farmers, they said, "Yeah, they'd give it to him. I sort of laughed about it, because I wanted them off. I wouldn't say nothing, because we had land in Santa Rosa County, we got four dollars a ton for them. They started clearing the land and- it took me ten years to get this old "buggar" to get the stumps out of his field. There was a man who plowed up a field with a tractor next to him, and it happened to be a dry time, and there came a big blowing March wind. It just a-blowing, and dust a-flying, and one thing or another, and he said, "Yeah, that's that tractor, he got them stumps out there." Well, the fella plowed too deep, I think that was his trouble, it was dry times. Anyway, they got all the stumps out. That's why it took me that long. K; In all the time that you were associated with the extension service, what do you think is the most valuable technique they developed for farming. What technique which helped local farmers most? M: There were several. Take tobacco farming and fumigating for nematodes for example. About my time the weed-killers, herbicides, weren't coming in. I forget how many million pine trees I planted over in Taylor County one year. On that good flatland, some of those pine trees could be harvested within twelve or fourteen years, and after about sixteen years, with the damp land they had then, you could harvest those over there. It's just thousands and thousands of acres in land you'd see. That used to be a farm and people wouldn't know it today just passing through. That was a conservation measure that has paid off. The terraces paid off, and then the crops. When Dr. Hull was developing the corn he came to Holmes County, and wanted some corn. I said, "Well, what kinds?" He said, "I just want the fellows to grow good corn. I want to go through it to see that it is good." I went with him and he got scared. I said, "Now, I haven't got time to go up to all these houses." We'd just go from one farm to another, and from one district to another, and jump over the fences--he was scared about doing that. We'd look at a stalk, and get the ears he wanted. I imagine I got four or five bushels that day. He was breeding up hybrid corn.