based on that incident. (inaudible) then any one of the wonderful things that have
 happened to me since that time would have been a (inaudible). Or that, you know,
 it didn't have to have all (incident), but I imagine, you know, none of these
 wonderful things would have happened in my life just by the split second. And
 honestly, that's what it was. A split second if I had stood up for a split second
 more... I would have saved maybe eleven or thirteen men's lives. I might have
 lost one. Lost one in the process. If you asked me if I would have done it, I
 probably would have, I probably would have done it.

Q.: One last question I have for you is that, if you could speak to troop on his way to
 war maybe like, Afghanistan, what would you say soldier, any words of advice?
A.: I guess I would say, if I were present, I would say, have some fun. You know,
 there's a guy in the, who wrote a book. About German war against the eastern
 front in Russia and he told this tremendous (inaudible) that they didn't have a
 clue, they were freaks. Somebody urinated, a bunch of men would go up and put
 their hands in the urine just to warm their hands. I mean it was... it was
 unbelievable hell that these guys went through (inaudible)... a number of people
 killed, it was unbelievable. 400,000 men died in Stalingrad alone, German
 soldiers alone... 400,000 men. And then this guy says, this guy writing about this
 says, "but those were heady days." There was a guy telling the truth. There was a
 guy telling the truth. Getting the truth out of a soldier is, for example, you get a
 better truth out of me because I read that story about that Russian.

Q.: Right.
A.: About that Russian war from a German point of view. And I have, I think if I
 have something to say, "Have some fun." You know, they do have fun and
 they're not allowed to say that. Not allowed to say anything. Actually it really
 was fun but now that I say that, gee, in know I spent, I was with 22 guys. I
 learned a tremendous amount about human beings. I think, with those 22 guys all
 of that time.

Q.: Friends for life?
A.: Yeah, well, they were, there was only one or two of them that were close. Close
 to me... they're all older than me. But, it just was kind of a boy's club. It was a
 man's club kind of you know, that's what it really was. We were a man's club.
 And we ate together, went to all these different places together and so on. And
 yeah, meeting people from other countries and seeing things... the buildings were
 rubble but the.., by the way, (inaudible) scenes, that was one of the, two days
 after the war I went through Munich and every building was rubble. For the
 entire hour. That was the greatest war scene that I ever.., but that was two days
 after the war. But there was, it was a great adventure at the expense of a lot of
 other people. People who died. But you know, if you were sent over a young guy
 who came out unscathed, now that's the important thing. You know, that guys
 like me see it as you know, it was a great adventure. And not that I didn't know,



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