kind of holistically, you know? A greater perspective and kind of encapsulating
 it. But it really was a kind of neat adventure. Not unlike going on a camping tour
 to Alaska. It was not unlike that. You know? I was only 18 years old. And it
 was an awesome kind of experience, you know, I had only traveled oh, 100 miles
 from home before.

Q.: Do you think the U.S. was right when they decided to engage in the war?
A.: Oh, yeah, it was, at the time, let's see, what did we say? You know, it didn't have
 much of an impact on us, the war and the time of war and so on. We were from
 the mid-West. We didn't know... I can understand that now because we didn't
 have any idea about the world situation and what this was all about or what we
 were doing. There were some bad guys over there and they were creating havoc
 for the world and that was about it. It was such a massive operation... but for us,
 what was going on was just.... People asking other people that question. That's
 the stupid thing. Or asking a person to what was... what was this war all about?
 Gosh, you know, we really didn't have a grasp of it at all. Perhaps that's why we,
 except for simple things, like kill Hitler or kill the Nazis or something like that.
 You know, we, but for simple kind of myths or some sort of... from the
 standpoint of a historian I think that's an important, that's probably the most
 important conversation we've got here is that the individual at that time, I would
 say to you, it would be fun to ask a historian at that time, a person who was a
 historian, about their reactions to the war. Honest, and I'm being honest, as
 honest as I can in retrospect. But, you know, getting people to be honest about
 their reports is probably one of the hardest things in this kind of thing that you're
 doing here.

Q.: Right.
A.: Because all people want to look good under the circumstance, you know. So they
 tell a story. In fact, I have a friend whose father was the same age I was, he died
 by the way, and she said, you know, that he told wonderful stories but she said,
 you know, half his stories he told were not true.

Q.: It's been several years since the end of the war, do you have any trouble yourself
 sleeping at night or do you have any memories or nightmares or anything?
A.: Well, my wife thinks I do sometimes. I do think of the war. And you know, I'm
 sometimes tempted to say, that's because of the war. It would be kind of
 dramatic. You know, I think a lot of people do do that. They cover up real
 dreams with saying that was a war type dream I had. I honestly think some
 people do that. You know, this a a psychologist you're talking to so essentially I
 think I can, ... I don't want to pretend that I have a complete understanding of,
 you know, even my perspective in the years (inaudible) and so on, but I certainly
 have a better understanding of this thing that we're doing. (inaudible) and that's
 (inaudible). Yeah, dreams, no, I never... I have recalled that incident fairly often
 that one where I was sent into the barn... in that sense I have a repeated epiphany



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