page 2 Frey, so he donated his filing fee to the party, that's what it amounts to. W.D.V.: So you think that it is a pretty good idea? Thomas: Yeah, I think that it is an excellent idea and I don't think yet that we are ready to fly without it. And the party, as I'm sure that Bill Davis told you, we operate on a pretty damn frugal budget. I mean, we don't throw any money away and we don't have any frills and we don't have an oversized staff. We certainly don't spend a whole hell of a lot traveling and entertaining and things like that, we just can't. And of course, I'm unpaid. In the case of the Democratic chairman, you know, he's paid. W.D.V.: Oh is he? Thomas: Yeah. I'm sure that he's not paid enough, but I think that he's paid $15, 000. But he's a part-time chairman just like I am. I probably spend as much or more time at it than he does, but he's an attorney and I can see where I mean, he should be paid, I think. And in all probability, in the next three or four to six years, our state chairman should be paid. He should be full time. W.D.V.: Can you tell us a little bit about your political background. How did you get involved in all of this? Thomas: Well, being a Chevrolet dealer in this part of the state, I don't go around carrying a card, you know, telling them with a sign that I'm an ex-Yankee, but I grew up in northern New York, up in the part near Buffalo. And of course, this was before the war and I joined the Marine Corps in 1942 when I was seventeen and in the small town that I lived in, everybody was Republican and the only people who were Democrats were the people who wouldn't work. And this is true. You know, my Daddy thought it a disgrace to be a Democrat. So, I married a girl from Birmingham while I From the Southern Oral History Program, #4007, Interview /4-6 in the Southern Historical Collection, University of North Carolina Library, Chapel Hill. FOR REFERENCE ONLY: PERMISSION TO PUBLISH MUST BE REQUESTED. WARNING: MOST MANUSCRIPTS ARE PROTECTED BY COPYRIGHT.