FNP 51 Page 10 the phone... P: Let me interrupt you. Where did you get the capital to get this business started? G: All my life, from day one and I haven't stopped, [I pinched pennies and saved my money]. When I would go to the theater, my mother and daddy would give me-my daddy had a John Deere and also an International Tractor and truck dealership uptown and a big parts house and a stable, had a big operation up there, and then they had an office upstairs-they would give me a quarter, and my brother, and we would walk across to the theater, and my mother could sit and watch us walk all the way across. This is back when I was little. We'd have to hold hands going from the office all the way to the theater. Well, a quarter, it took us $0.14 to get in the show. We called it the picture show. Then, you could get a cold drink, a Coca-Cola, and a bag of popcorn for a nickel each and bubblegum [for a penny]. Of course, when the war broke out, you couldn't get sugar for bubblegum, and that was always a problem. Everybody was wanting bubblegum, and that was kind of a black-market item. So, that took up the $0.25. Well, I'd spend the $0.14 cents to get in the movie, but I'd put that $0.11 in my pocket. I never bought a single piece of gum or a single Coca-Cola or a single bag of popcorn. I'd bring that $0.11 home every Saturday. Plus, my daddy gave us ways that we could make money, to the farmhands and the sawmill crews and the woods crews. I was selling slabs coming off the sawmill for firewood. Back then, everybody was cooking on [wood-burning stoves, including us]. My daddy could afford better [but why buy a gas stove when we had wood to bum?] We had the first carbide lights that was ever brought into Madison County. That was before electricity got out there, and we only live a mile and a half out of town. I remember people coming out to our house to see the carbide lights. Then I had a little old small--about six- or eight-inch--circular saw all set up that I could [saw up] slats for tobacco sticks for sun tobacco. So I had ways [to save money]. The one that my mother never approved of (but my daddy told me that I could do it as long as I was there on the farm, but for me to never do it any other place, and I stuck to that), I always kept cornbuck, and daddy had a big sugarcane mill and a big evaporator. So he was selling sugarcane syrup. He was selling it all over the country. They'd come in there with semi- trucks to pick up the syrup. So I'd sweeten my corn, sweeten the beds with the syrup, so I sold cornbuck. I never distilled any of it during that time [but I knew families who made moonshine in order to survive]. P: Explain to people who would not know what cornbuck is. G: Cornbuck, basically, is beer [made with corn], where you shell out your corn and, if you are making good [moon]shine, if you had fifty pounds of corn, you'd put in fifty pounds of sugar. Then, you can get three runs off of a bed. Then, the bed is when that corn and that sugar starts souring, and it doesn't sour because you got the sugar in it. If you didn't have the sugar in it, especially in fruits for brandy, it could vinegar on you. But the bed is then when you drain that buck off, you can drink it as beer, and that is corbuck. I also