M: The environment is always going to evolve. The only way that you are going to keep any further impact on the environment from happening is to restrict population and technology. P: That is not going to happen? M: No, that is not going to happen. P: Do you think it will not be in our lifetimes that the Everglades will be cemented over? M: Sam, I do not think the Everglades will ever be cemented over. I have made many trips by helicopter at a low level across the state, and there is a vast amount of dry land in Florida for development. Most of the development in Florida is along the beaches. You do find a fair amount of development happening in the middle of the state, in the Orlando area, but south Florida has a vast amount of dry land for development, and it has the same climate as the coast--it just does not have the proximity to the beach. You have a vast amount of land in north central Florida where you can have development. P: In the Gainesville/Ocala area. M: That is right. Florida is overcrowded in a few local spots, and it will become overcrowded in a few more local spots, but I do not think Florida as a state will ever be overcrowded in our lifetime or in our children's lifetimes. P: Tell me about your personal life, Marshall. You lost your second wife, too, did you not? M: In 1980. P: What did she die of? M: Cancer. P: So you lost two wives to cancer. M: That is right. P: I think you told me that she had four children, and you had three children. M: That is right. P: You are married again? M: I remarried on December 31 of 1985, and my third wife has four children. 85