P: So in a way he was your proteg6? M: No, he was one of three vice-presidents that, when I reorganized the company toward the end of my first year in the company, I made an executive vice-president. We had three executive vice-presidents who were in the running, along with some other people inside and outside the company. But when the time came for the board to select a person who would be president when I became chairman, and presumably would be my successor, that board of directors committee selected him. P: Was sixty-five the compulsory retirement here, or was this your own choosing? M: I chose to make it that. When I came in there was no compulsory retirement at all. In fact, when I joined the company there were three officers of the company, or former officers, who were seventy or older, and a number of board members were in their seventies. P: Concerning the holding company, which came into being in 1984, only one of its holdings is Florida Power and Light Company. What else is part of it? M: We acquired a general personal lines insurance company called Colonial Penn Group which specialized in selling insurance to older people. This is a fairly large company. A significant part of its business is in Florida, but it is also heavily represented in California and Arizona. P: Is this the insurance company that works with AARP [American Association of Retired Persons]? M: It worked with AARP at one time. P: How large a company is Colonial Penn? Is it very big? In other words, is it another Prudential or Aetna? M: As many insurance companies go, it is small, but as many other companies go, it is large. It has a portfolio of about $2 billion. P: So it is not a "mom and pop" operation at all. M: That is right. P: Where is its corporate headquarters? M: Philadelphia. P: Do you hold a position on its board? 80