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group which, incidentally, included the counsel for the Latin American Subcommittee of the Foreign Relations Committee, our distinguished Seceitary of the Senate, and the Secretary to the minority, and it was a very educational procedure. So that is why we went. As I go down the list of things that he brings up, Madam President, I am reminded of the old sayin, "A problem for every solution."
 Let us go back to when I was trying to fathom the right and the wrong and making *initial impressions. In 1967, when I was a member of the Commerce Committee, former Secretary Anderson, chairman of the negotiation team, came to present at that time a proposed treaty that did not include -the rights of defense.
 The Senator asks, "Was not the treaty today substantially changed and everything else?" Not really-with respect to defense, except what the Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote-article IV. With respect to military occupation by troops, at that particular time it was that we leave after the year 2004; and after negotiating for some 11 to 12 more years, we lost 3 years.
 Some who want to continue to negotiate wonder where the trend is and how the United States is faring. Let it be recorded that we lost 3 good years there. Would it not be grand to sit here and let things stay as they are and just do not do anything, if we had that luxury?
 It is bunkology that you have to come on the floor and listen to Senators play games. It reminds me of back in the sixties, during the war in Vietnam. You would walk up on the floor, and there was one backing up a battle. Another one was bombing. Another one was calling them murderers. Another one was saying, "Don't do it"; another was saying, "Do it." Another said, "More troops." Another said, "No, get out.," Those were all scenarios in Vietnam, and now we have all the scenarios after the year 2000, with total disregard.
 I am confident that the Senator from Alabama and many in opposition have no idea of the problem in Panama today, no idea of the complexity of the issues involved. The way they talk and try to reduce it ,down misses the complexity involved.
 I guess he wants to make Fra nklin D. Roosevelt a dictator talking about Sidney Hillnian. He said, "Check it with Sidney," and now, "Chieck it with Torrijos." Well, nothing could be more ridiculous or f urth)er from the truth.
 It is a complex problem, Madam President.
 I will never forget the other night, when Eric Sevareid was retiring. lie said, after 40 years at CBS, that when he started, there were all black and white, moralistic questions-the Depression and World War II and McCarthyism-and simple answers could be given. He said that is the one thing that impresses him most after 40 years, that there
-are no simple answers any more.
 And this treaty is not a simple, thou shalt bam, bam, bam-all your ,rights are spelled out and everything just done exactly right. It explains it in some measure after 13 years and getting the best we could in f air'ness to the United States, the best we could in fairness to the Republic of Panama. We will go into that when we have time, into the history of it.
 People are worrying about what they are going to do in Panama. Read the historical record. Talk to David McCullough, or any historian. It was the United States that breached every one of the agreements and understandings and treaties for the last 70 years. We are al-